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#258001 - 02/25/09 09:14 AM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
Dnj Offline
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Does anyone take into consideration that most arranger players have no idea what your talking about? Most people just want to play OOTB...I never load anything .



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#258002 - 02/25/09 09:36 AM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
Irishacts Offline
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Registered: 11/18/01
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Quote:
James, does my thought that "a simple piano or sax waveform, would compress better than a complex song" have any logic? If yes, maybe that is the way they do it.


Yeah sure, but then again I'm caught with the thinking that at 16bit recording at 44.1Khz still contains 44100 samples of 16 bit information regardless of what the actual recording is. So if it's lossless, how do they manage to retain all that data and achieve 12:1

I'm actually looking forward to finding out the answer to this one to be honest. It's quite an interesting subject.

Regards.
James.

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#258003 - 02/25/09 10:07 AM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
leezone Offline
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posted by James:
"So if it's lossless, how do they manage to retain all that data and achieve 12:1

I'm actually looking forward to finding out the answer to this one to be honest. It's quite an interesting subject."


I too want to know.
And if it is 12:1 compression meaning you can load/use 500MB or more why not ADVERTIZE the CRAP out of it?
We'll see....

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#258004 - 02/25/09 10:56 AM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
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64 MB looks like a design flaw with the current memmory pricess, now matter how much compression there is....

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#258005 - 02/25/09 01:46 PM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
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I think this machine will take more then 64MB but not yet, i dont think they will leave a
5000$ machine with only 64MB...it doesnt look right to me and there might be something.
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#258006 - 02/25/09 01:50 PM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
leezone Offline
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Registered: 06/24/08
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only Ketron knows,

AJ did not say it would ever be more than 64MB, so that has me worried.

so we must wait and find out how this "compression" really works

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#258007 - 02/25/09 02:05 PM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
leezone Offline
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Registered: 06/24/08
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with today's memory prices so low,

i think the AUDYA should have a minimum of 1GB of RAM

but maybe because the AUDYA has been a few years in the making it's only 64MB

BEST way would have been to make it expandable as is EVERY computer, give us some EMPTY slots to expand

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#258008 - 02/25/09 06:03 PM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
hellboy44 Offline
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 541
Loc: Australia
Sorry, could someone post the relevant extract of the Manual or specs that can tell us if the Audya IS expandable?

Seriously, I want to know.
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#258009 - 02/25/09 07:09 PM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14269
Loc: NW Florida
I'm afraid that, after the misinformation, half-truths and just plain outright erroneousness that accompanied the 'Guitar loop' fiasco from AJ and Nedim, why anyone is taking these so-called 'stats' from these guys at any kind of face value defeats me...

12-1 lossless compression, as Irishacts points out, is utter rubbish. If it worked, MP3's would already be history. 12-1 is about the compression reduction of a 128kbps MP3. Not exactly lossless, there...

The problem comes when these salesmen and company representatives are not held accountable for their misinformation. The average arranger user is NOT usually a tech geek, and spreading disinformation and just plain lies (I mean, how else can you look at this?) to gullible older citizens (as so many of us are! ) is, IMO, the hight of predatory behavior. Were it not for James, and Lee, and a few others, you all would be swallowing this bull hook, line and sinker.

If I were AJ, I would be sending my posts to Ketron Italy to get doublechecked for accuracy before posting here. After the guitar loop incident, it might help to actually have the FACTS before posting. Too many more of these gaffs (that invariably err on the side of making the Audya look better than it is - strange coincidence, that ) pretty much destroy any credibility.
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#258010 - 02/25/09 08:27 PM Re: AUDYA's "12:1" Compression & How it Works... Is 64MB really 64MB ???
leezone Offline
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Registered: 06/24/08
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Diki,

i was wondering were you were and was awaiting your thoughts on this.

we missed you, or at least i did :-)

Diki, as much as i'd love to believe this 12:1 compression, i too have my doubts.

but i will not say it is or is not so.

time will tell, and the truth will reveal itself soon enough...

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